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September 1, 2022 at 1:13 pm #91663
Casey Lee
KeymasterHey hey,
It’s time to boogie. This post will serve as our discussion thread for all things week 1: ASSESSMENT AND READINESS
Lets gooooooo!
September 9, 2022 at 6:10 am #91791Marco Pivotto
ParticipantHi everyone,
After listening to Casey speaking about evaluation and data interpretation I have 2 questions:
1) How 10y / 20y / 10y fly relate each other. When they can be considered “consistent”?
I think I did not understand the thinking process behind these data relationship and interpretation.
Aside from data collection, I would like to understand better how they influence my decision making during programs design.2) How 5 hops distance relates to 10 and 20 y sprint times. How would you determine if it is necessary to work on mechanics or strength qualities (e.g, horizontal projection angle/force application angles vs unilateral lower limb strength)?
Thank you!
Marco
September 9, 2022 at 11:20 am #91801Casey Lee
KeymasterCoach! Amazing questions…I have your questions and my answers below
Other coaches, please, feel free to chime in
1) How 10y / 20y / 10y fly relate each other. When they can be considered “consistent”?
I think I did not understand the thinking process behind these data relationship and interpretation.The biggest thing to look at is that as an athlete performs a 10/20 yard sprint, is that each 10 yard interval should be faster. 0-10 yards is the slowest, 10-20 yards is faster.
What I have traditionally done in the past, is to have the athlete run 2 attempts and compare.
If the 0-10 yard time varies within .07 of a second, I consider that variation to be normal. Anything greater than .07 is probably due to a mechanical change the athlete made (arm swing/ length of first step/ body angle). This variance holds true whether it be positive (athlete got a faster time) or negative (athlete got a slower time).
It’s hard to say what the incremental change in 0-10 yards and 10-20 yards should be, however I think it should be greater than a full second of improvement.
Example- if a 0-10 yard spring measures at 2.5 seconds, then the 10-20 yard split should ATLEAST be 1.5 seconds. Traditionally I see athletes have a superior 10-20 split than 0-10, simply because of the human error in navigating the start position and/or a timing system.
Aside from data collection, I would like to understand better how they influence my decision making during programs design.
2) How 5 hops distance relates to 10 and 20 y sprint times. How would you determine if it is necessary to work on mechanics or strength qualities (e.g, horizontal projection angle/force application angles vs unilateral lower limb strength)?
When breaking down the evaluation, I don’t normally compare X test to the outcome of Y test, rather, I think each test shows a unique athletic skill. Sure, there can be correlations, but for the purpose of athletic improvement, each test is valid in assessing its unique skill.
In the case of the 5-hop broad jump, and the scope of youth athlete Parisi works with, we like to see the athlete jump their height 5-times over. This shows consistent power production and an assumption that loading and landing mechanics are sufficient for training. I do like the assessment data Functional Movement Systems (FMS) says where higher performing athletes should be able to jump 120% of their height in a single jump attempt. If I have a high performing athlete, I will measure their first, single, broad jump, note it and then continue with the remaining 4 jumps for the Parisi 5-hop measurement.
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